tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-652367040467201849.post7924669399527266110..comments2023-10-28T01:48:13.665-07:00Comments on Arts and Palaver: Writer-Author Janet Burroway Reveals Professional Relationship With Tom Jenks Prior to Her Big 2009 Contest WinElizabeth Brodyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11685452125287825479noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-652367040467201849.post-47926804319973649382010-06-18T11:30:59.900-07:002010-06-18T11:30:59.900-07:00I want to thank Web del Sol for bringing this conv...I want to thank Web del Sol for bringing this conversation to my attention. As a writer and editor, I can tell you that it's not unusual to pay an entry fee for this sort of contest, but almost all of them are judged "blind" - the author's name appears nowhere on the ms. In addition, screeners, not the final judges, eliminate most submissions and choose finalists. Better-known writers don't get a free pass to the final round. The finalist judges are almost never the editors themselves - choosing an "outside" judge would be an easy way to avoid this conflict of interest. (Of course, Jenks and Edgarian would have to pay such a judge.) <br /><br />Outside the auspices of the contest, of course, a publisher is free to publish whoever they wish, but allowing this sort of unethical behavior, and even encouraging it, is a good reason not to submit, ever again, to Narrative Magazine, and to "de-subscribe" so that they can't continue to inflate their so-called subscription figures. This sort of BS makes me ashamed of my profession, though not of my vocation. <br /><br />Finally, it's very odd for a writer as well known as Janet Burroway to enter such a contest in the first place. Why not simply publish the story in the magazine outside the auspices of the contest, since she doesn't need the name recognition contests are designed to promote? All of this is very weird and unorthodox, as if Jenks (most famous for his former association with Gordon Lish at Esquire), feels that he's above the law. If so, that's unfortunate, because it makes him sound like BP, a company that's contemptuous of all the "small people." In fact, we should probably call Narrative the BP of literary culture and require them to clean up this mess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-652367040467201849.post-53046483086673789642010-01-19T07:27:41.788-08:002010-01-19T07:27:41.788-08:00Just in case anyone is unsure whether the contests...Just in case anyone is unsure whether the contests are shady, the SECOND place winner from that same contest was famous lit blogger Maud Newton, who also won a second cash prize from them this year (and posts on her blog about Narrative.) And Burroway and Stuckey-French aren't just random writers that Jenks and Edgarian wouldn't know; the book they collaborated on is a major text used to teach writing (as Jenks does.) And Jenks and Edgarian have been shown to award people they have blurbed and even edited before. Maybe this is what it takes to run a non-profit journal these days, but it isn't very fair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-652367040467201849.post-84314060120901101882009-10-22T18:04:07.673-07:002009-10-22T18:04:07.673-07:00As a fledgling writer currently enrolled in an MFA...As a fledgling writer currently enrolled in an MFA program, all this discussion is new to me. But my gut reaction is that it's just plain wrong to accept a prize from someone that knows you, knows your work, you have socialized with, and whom you have gotten a panel gig for. <br />With the size of the award, it makes sense to judge entries blind, and not have them judged by the magazine staff. It is a simple matter to set up, and yes, entirely reasonable in light of the fact that you are "inviting" writers from all over to pay for the privelege of entering.<br />The only value I can see of being in control of the winner selection, and choosing specific big-name writers is the narcissistic prestige that is hopefully generated for the editors.<br />In such a case, I would think any writer would avoid such an arrangement, realizing the obvious, that the editors have a social status agenda, and not merely a mission to publish the best new work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-652367040467201849.post-74969263666341554012009-09-23T09:00:27.804-07:002009-09-23T09:00:27.804-07:00Oh,no! I've slept with everybody in the Pulit...Oh,no! I've slept with everybody in the Pulitzer family; does this mean I can't accept any prizes? BarbaraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-652367040467201849.post-26405991499804030422009-09-03T10:26:01.232-07:002009-09-03T10:26:01.232-07:00"Litigious" doesn't necessarily mean..."Litigious" doesn't necessarily mean threatening a lawsuit. It can mean "lawyer-y" in mindset, attitudes, approach to, in this case, a literature competition. Everyone knows that in itself is a sort of oxymoron, but everyone knows that publishing's a business, not literature itself, and it runs on the kind of schmoozing described here. Turning it into a sort of tabloid exposay (can't find accents on this keyboard) seems like a waste of time and energy, if not another kind of scam in its claim that it's worth the time it takes to read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-652367040467201849.post-30436246158025973022009-05-08T06:58:00.000-07:002009-05-08T06:58:00.000-07:00"And I'm not directing this at you, David, but why..."And I'm not directing this at you, David, but why is this all so hard for everyone to comprehend?"<br /><br />Because your definition of "FRIENDS AND BUSINESS ASSOCIATES" is unreasonably broad. Based on Janet Burroway's letter, I don't see any evidence that she is a "friend" or "business associate" of Janet Burroway's. This is the sort of conspiracy theory nonsense that readers of Literary Rejections on Display like to engage in (as evidenced here people thinking "anonymous" is Janet Burroway, when, in fact, anonymous is me: a 40-something male). Maybe the anonymi who agree with you are actually you, then.<br /><br />As for "Is it because Janet Burroway resembles a kindly Miss Marple type who can do no wrong?" If Burroway believed she crossed some ethical line, I seriously doubt she'd have answered your email. The person who's not comprehending any of this is, sadly, you.Some Guy Who's Not Janet Burrowaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-652367040467201849.post-73264635248962168052009-05-03T11:02:00.000-07:002009-05-03T11:02:00.000-07:00To Anon above: Thanks for pointing that out, Ms. ...To Anon above: Thanks for pointing that out, Ms. Janet Burroway!<br /><br />To David: Sir, thank you for your thoughtful comment. I need only ask you to look up rules most journals and presses use with regards contests. Narrative violated these rules and Janet Burroway knows it very well. <br /><br />Apart from what I've already said above, I have nothing else to say on the matter, except that THE CONTEST IS NO LONGER OBJECTIVE BY ANY REASONABLE MEASURE IF CONTESTANTS ARE FRIENDS AND/OR BUSINESS ASSOCIATES OF THE JUDGE AND THEIR IDENTITIES ARE KNOWN TO SAID JUDGE. <br /><br />Again, Janet Burroway knows this, but she makes an exception to keep her prize and her money.<br /><br />And I'm not directing this at you, David, but why is this all so hard for everyone to comprehend? Is it because Janet Burroway resembles a kindly Miss Marple type who can do no wrong?Elizabeth Brodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11685452125287825479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-652367040467201849.post-56680877312864885312009-05-03T03:16:00.000-07:002009-05-03T03:16:00.000-07:00Hello Liz,
Any chance you could explain this furt...Hello Liz, <br />Any chance you could explain this further? What you've shown here are extracts of a letter to you from Burroway and accusations of collusion. I'd have to agree that your email does have a threatening tone and Burroway seems to have replied with what you asked for - a full explanation of her sole dealings with Jenks. I also thought there was humour in the way she ended her message to you, you think no? Yes, you are right in saying "No one said they had "close" ties, but they had ties. She was known to them in various ways." But I don't think you have made any clear point. Maybe you could clairify why you say "She was schmoozing with them, trying to do favors for Jenks, and that's only what she has confessed to." Implying that despite her reply with the answers to your questions, you are simply resorting to calling her a liar? It would be great if you could outline more information, perhaps publishing Burroways complete letter to you would make things clearer for us reading your Blog with interest?David Granthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-652367040467201849.post-66452054671403906922009-05-01T06:59:00.000-07:002009-05-01T06:59:00.000-07:00I love how whenever anyone posts an anonymous comm...I love how whenever anyone posts an anonymous comment defending the person being accused there's always some nitwit who thinks it's the accused who's doing the posting. Burroway answered Liz's email; why would she post anonymously? Use some common sense. And if Liz doesn't want anonymous comments, then she can change the method by which people post here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-652367040467201849.post-88990781186330118382009-04-30T15:11:00.000-07:002009-04-30T15:11:00.000-07:00I agree with you entirely Liz, and the Anon postin...I agree with you entirely Liz, and the Anon posting here is probably Burroway herself trying to wiggle out of it. She clearly had established a social relationship with the Narrative editors, and that fact alone should have forced the "judges" to pass on her work due to conflict of interest.Rebecca M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-652367040467201849.post-33509760412406874242009-04-29T07:56:00.000-07:002009-04-29T07:56:00.000-07:00IF the judges know the identity of the contestant,...IF the judges know the identity of the contestant, and more, have published her, given her a previous contest win (along with her close business associate!!!), and socialized with her, then it has been violated, BIG TIME! She was schmoozing with them, trying to do favors for Jenks, and that's only what she has confessed to.<br /><br />The fact that Narrative doesn't use independent judges and refuses to do so is evidence that a shady process is at work. There can't be a single winner of a Narrative contest who shouldn't be investigated for ties to Jenks and Edgarian.Elizabeth Brodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11685452125287825479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-652367040467201849.post-2110888394161835712009-04-29T07:19:00.000-07:002009-04-29T07:19:00.000-07:00No, it hasn't been violated in this instance. I w...No, it hasn't been violated in this instance. I would say, yes, it's unethical if the winner is a former student or teacher of the contest judge or a relation, but to eliminate oneself because you've served on a panel with the editor or because your publisher submitted an excerpt from a book for publication to the editor (which only bodes well that the editor may like your work, since they published it), or because you attended a party thrown by them -- that's utterly ludicrous. The fact is, Narrative pays a hefty cash award, so they're going to attract writers better known than you or me, especially given the fact that there are few (very few) commericial outlets for literary fiction that pay much. Sorry, Elizabeth, but you're not selling me on your argument here. Given the social networking of the average writer today, you'd have to have lived Emily Dickinson's life to be eligible to submit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-652367040467201849.post-20472464756199253652009-04-28T18:31:00.000-07:002009-04-28T18:31:00.000-07:00No one said they had "close" ties, but they had ti...No one said they had "close" ties, but they had ties. She was known to them in various ways. <br /><br />The point isn't whether the writer should or should not submit, the point is objectivity in the contest process. That has been violated.Elizabeth Brodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11685452125287825479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-652367040467201849.post-20885716803052790682009-04-28T17:53:00.000-07:002009-04-28T17:53:00.000-07:00She went to a party for the magazine? She invited...She went to a party for the magazine? She invited Jenks to be on a panel? This is your evidence that they have had close professional ties? Please. This is lame. I've been on a dozen panels with authors and editors, and I've been to a few social gatherings as well. Should I avoid having anything to do with them? If they sponsor a contest, should I not submit to it? Writers socialize, just as lawyers (or other professionals) do. I don't even see this as quid pro quo. Your argument is a stretch at best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-652367040467201849.post-79277004552660048632009-04-28T01:08:00.000-07:002009-04-28T01:08:00.000-07:00hi liz...thanks for posting this....i'm watching w...hi liz...thanks for posting this....i'm watching with great curiosity to see what happens here. i think tom jenks must have some kind of clinical problem -- narcissism, perhaps, megalomania, certainly -- that allows him to so blatantly lay out, in public, on line, for god's sake, the prosecution's entire eventual case that he will most certainly be the defendant in. one could write a book based solely on this joker's shenanigans entitled 'Internet Detective 101 - How to Gather Evidence for a Crime Perpetuated in Cyberspace (subtitle - He Ain't no Bernie Madoff). Burroway, whose fiction books I like, by the way, is clearly either a dupe or just doesn't believe that anyone else will believe this incestual tale. the money and seeming prestige of winning contests with such massive prizes and the rapid breathing that ensues when someone like stuckey-french or burroway "wins" a contest, must be some kind of literary asphyxiophilia, the climax even more intense when they cash that check.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com